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Originally Posted by Guess
Yes. Explains it. I guarantee you @ 23 I have lived double the life you have and accomplished significantly more. The only reason I resort to that now, is because you have failed to argue any further, and it outright pisses me off that someone with so much advice and so so much to say just gives up on a argument. I guess you see you can't win.
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Accomplished more have you? ...... give it up. I was raising kids before you were even out of grade school...... You’re young enough to BE my kid!! You’re 23, let me give you a news flash...you've accomplished shit.
I don't want to argue with you, simply, because you don't get it! Nowhere have we advocated that driving like a bafoon is a good thing, you don't understand the laws in depth. Dangerous does indeed come with suspension and a CCOC penalty; it does however give you right to due process. It doesn't happen at the side of the road. Under criminal negligence causing injury or death, the car can be taken, but it isn’t impounded for a full week. In the cases of death or injury, one could make a stronger case for taking a car, for evidence...etc (hence the post by neonSRT, to clarify...thank you neon), In the case of DUI, the car is given back the next day, or if someone is with you that is sober enough, can take the car home with them right there and then!! You seem to think this new law only revolves around 50 over, and you clearly don't get what we are trying to accomplish with the petition. Its not just the premise of the law as it relates to street racing. Its the big picture, its the seizure and impound of vehicles (private property) under a law that entitles WAY to much judgment at the side of the road. The law includes items, which can be falsified, and unjustly issued (cops word against yours). You may and likely would be found innocent later on down the road, but the suspension stays, and the impound and towing costs are yours to take care of....not to mention, what are you supposed to do to get around for a week (cab, bus, mooching off a buddy). What if your livelihood consist of needing your license, and a cop took it away because he thought you made to much noise and accelerated to quickly...or worse yet, because he didn't like the way you look, and figured what the hell, I'm going to make life miserable for this little punk? Who compensates you for loosing your job if that were to happen?....or you're maybe forced to burn a week of vacation...either way its not free, and it certainly is not paid back to you if found innocent. It is essentially a penalty that you CAN NOT reverse!! Your the genius (by your own admission), answer me this, where is the right to due process in all of this? The petition clearly states we do not want the law scrapped, we want the seizure and suspension portions removed, because we (the generation before you), don't want to keep seeing our civil liberties erode, we don't want that the seizure of our private property held over our heads for the slightest justification....it starts with this law...what laws will include these clauses next??? I'm sure Daddy bought you your car, but for the rest of us, our cars were built on hard earned money...same goes for our houses, property ...etc
If the government revised the HTA to impound a vehicle for 50 over, and that’s it, it would be tuff to argue that, although the principle behind it wouldn't change...it might have a semblance of justification, because 50 over the limit must be recorded by some sort of technical device and used as evidence (just like breathalyzer for DUI's). But they didn't, they created a completely new law under completely false pretenses, passed it through using media and public hysteria. They created a perceived problem on the backs of enthusiasts, all this right under your "super educated" 23-year-old nose!
For the record, a woman this winter did have her vehicle taken away for spinning the tires in the snow. The cop claimed she spun them excessively..... So that little judgment cost this woman over a grand to start, and if she is convicted (to my knowledge her court appearance has not happened yet), she will be out another $2,000 - $10,000....for spinning her tires in the snow! ...On the flip side, she got the tow she needed; because she was in fact completely stuck...fantastic law isn't it?
Now you have a choice, you can choose to be a prick, continue to argue points which I am neither bringing up, or condoning, or you can re-read what it is we are trying to do.