GM Denies Being Approached by Toyota - #1 Car Club In Kitchener - Waterloo - Cambridge

**KDawgONE** · 07-17-2006, 04:31 PM

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"GM denies it has been approached by Toyota"
GM said yesterday it has not been approached by
TOYOTA concerning a potential ALTERNATIVE ALLIANCE to
the one being discussed with Renault and Nissan.
Today's Globe (Dow Jones, B6) outlines a story
published by BusinessWeek on Saturday suggested Toyota
is forging a game plan to potentially counter a 90-day
exploratory effort at GM, Nissan and Renault related
to a potential alliance.

My thinking is this: there is an ounce of truth to every rumour.
Considering the aliances Toyota has had over the years with GM (Toyota/Chevy Cavalier, Rav 4/Sidekick, Corolla/Prism, etc), I would be willing to bet there have been talks. What Toyota would gain from this, im not sure though...

**98BCR** · 07-17-2006, 05:06 PM

As long as GM doesn't scrap the new Camaro concept/design im happy with whatever they do

**khunt0012** · 07-17-2006, 05:42 PM

GM has ties with every car company out there, it's just not as well publicised as some other relationships.

GM and Honda have swapped parts/engines/trannys over the years.

Toyota has litte/nothing to gain from a share in GM. Which is why the rumors are just that, rumours. Toyota operates in such a different way, and an enviable away at that, that it would be pretty weird if they were to do a 180 and take a chunk of GM. They've made so many sound buisness decisions over the years I just can't see them doing it.

**ProbeonPSI** · 07-17-2006, 06:04 PM

I believe the new saturn vue has the honda v6 from the accord?

although i do believe if toyota went about talks with gm in a certain way it would be a good way to infiltrate the gm lovers market.

**fixitmattman** · 07-17-2006, 06:34 PM

It's not a 180 for Toyota. They've been working with GM for years. That's part of the reason why they built the NUMMI plant in California back in the 80's. GM wanted to learn Toyota's methods, and Toyota wanted a stronger foot hold in America which the joint plant gave them. GM and Toyota are a lot closer to each other than just re-badging cars.

What else is in it for Toyota? How about world domination. Toyota wants to be the largerst auto manufacturer in the world. Taking GM would put them there, and in a big way. Even if Toyota doesn't want GM long term, they may even buy it as an investment turn it around and make some serious $$ because Toyota knows how to turn things around and make money. It may take time, but even if they don't buy GM it's an excellent investment to build then sell off.

Matt

**WRC_VERNA** · 07-17-2006, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ProbeonPSI

I believe the new saturn vue has the honda v6 from the accord?

isn't there a saturn suv that's had a honda engine for a few years now?

**2point2** · 07-17-2006, 07:34 PM

I heard Chrysler approached Honda, and Honda told them to get off my porch. :P

**khunt0012** · 07-17-2006, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by WRC_VERNA

isn't there a saturn suv that's had a honda engine for a few years now?

Yes, the 3.5L out of the MDX. Also, Honda traded their motors for GMs trannys to go with those motors+cash. Turned out to be one of the largest recalls in Honda history as the tannys either failed or had to have a new oil line installed.

**KDawgONE** · 07-18-2006, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by WRC_VERNA

isn't there a saturn suv that's had a honda engine for a few years now?

AS well as the Honda Passport/Isuzu Rodeo...

**neonSRT** · 07-18-2006, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by khunt0012

GM has ties with every car company out there, it's just not as well publicised as some other relationships.

GM and Honda have swapped parts/engines/trannys over the years.

Toyota has litte/nothing to gain from a share in GM. Which is why the rumors are just that, rumours. Toyota operates in such a different way, and an enviable away at that, that it would be pretty weird if they were to do a 180 and take a chunk of GM. They've made so many sound buisness decisions over the years I just can't see them doing it.

And what about the Matrix/Vibe??

**KDawgONE** · 07-18-2006, 12:43 PM

Matrix/Vibe
Corolla/Prism
Cavalier (Toyota Cavalier in Japan)
first gen Rav4/Sidekick/Tracker

**khunt0012** · 07-18-2006, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by neonSRT

And what about the Matrix/Vibe??

Oh yah I know Will, I was just giving one of many examples out there.

**neonSRT** · 07-19-2006, 01:33 PM

^^ but you said Toyota has nothing to gain from GM, but it clearly did/does if they shared the Matrix/Vibe platform with Pontiac.

**khunt0012** · 07-19-2006, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by neonSRT

^^ but you said Toyota has nothing to gain from GM, but it clearly did/does if they shared the Matrix/Vibe platform with Pontiac.

Sorry, I should re-word that. Toyota has nothing to gain by taking partial control of GM. Sharing technology, parts, etc. all car companies do that, it's crucial to keep costs down.

07-17-2006, 05:06 PM	#2 (permalink)
98BCR VM Member Posts: 3,924 Location: Kitchener, Ontario Join Date: Apr 2005 Ride: 1998 Chevy Camaro Fav Mod: Class: Street	As long as GM doesn't scrap the new Camaro concept/design im happy with whatever they do ------------------ Sylvain 98 V6 3.8L Camaro (Blue) What happens when an irresistible force meets an immovable object?

07-17-2006, 05:42 PM	#3 (permalink)
khunt0012 VM Member Posts: 2,378 Location: At the Bar Join Date: Dec 2004 Ride: 1994 Honda Accord / 1991 Honda Civic Si Fav Mod: H22 Swap Class: Street	GM has ties with every car company out there, it's just not as well publicised as some other relationships. GM and Honda have swapped parts/engines/trannys over the years. Toyota has litte/nothing to gain from a share in GM. Which is why the rumors are just that, rumours. Toyota operates in such a different way, and an enviable away at that, that it would be pretty weird if they were to do a 180 and take a chunk of GM. They've made so many sound buisness decisions over the years I just can't see them doing it. ------------------ Kyle 1994 Honda Accord EX H22 - Summer 1991 Honda Civic Si - Winter

07-17-2006, 06:34 PM	#5 (permalink)
fixitmattman My Neon made me a mechanic Posts: 2,618 Location: Brantford / Thunder Bay Join Date: May 2004 Ride: 00 Neon Fav Mod: Class:	It's not a 180 for Toyota. They've been working with GM for years. That's part of the reason why they built the NUMMI plant in California back in the 80's. GM wanted to learn Toyota's methods, and Toyota wanted a stronger foot hold in America which the joint plant gave them. GM and Toyota are a lot closer to each other than just re-badging cars. What else is in it for Toyota? How about world domination. Toyota wants to be the largerst auto manufacturer in the world. Taking GM would put them there, and in a big way. Even if Toyota doesn't want GM long term, they may even buy it as an investment turn it around and make some serious $$ because Toyota knows how to turn things around and make money. It may take time, but even if they don't buy GM it's an excellent investment to build then sell off. Matt ------------------ This is where you type a bunch of shit about how awesome your car is. FACT: It's been scientifically proven that the more shit you write in here the less cool your car is. Nine times out of ten the majority of people who talk shit down here don't even have any of the crap they talk about on their car. I drive an 8 year old domestic and barely give two shits about it. I beat the hell out of it and it begs for more, just like your girlfriend. Go ahead, cut me off. I dare ya.

07-17-2006, 07:34 PM	#7 (permalink)
2point2 VM Member Posts: 6,508 Join Date: Feb 2004 Ride: 1988 Honda CRX Fav Mod: CRXForum Class:	I heard Chrysler approached Honda, and Honda told them to get off my porch. :P ------------------ 2.2L Turbo CRX - 10.73 @ 137mph - Pump gas, and then drove it home.

07-18-2006, 12:43 PM	#11 (permalink)
KDawgONE VM Member Posts: 4,793 Location: Windsor, ON Join Date: Nov 2003 Ride: 1995 GMC Jimmy Fav Mod: Class: Mini Truck	Matrix/Vibe Corolla/Prism Cavalier (Toyota Cavalier in Japan) first gen Rav4/Sidekick/Tracker ------------------ Kris \| Sales & Leasing Consultant \| Gus Revenberg Pontiac-Buick-GMC-HUMMER \| Windsor, ON \| 519-979-2800 x126 1995 2WD 4-door GMC Jimmy - Envoy-fronted and Caddy-clipp'd!

07-17-2006, 06:04 PM	#4 (permalink)
ProbeonPSI Veteran User Posts: 6,630 Location: London Ontario Canada Join Date: Sep 2004 Ride: Fav Mod: Class:	I believe the new saturn vue has the honda v6 from the accord? although i do believe if toyota went about talks with gm in a certain way it would be a good way to infiltrate the gm lovers market.

07-19-2006, 01:33 PM	#13 (permalink)
neonSRT VM Moderator Posts: 12,178 Location: Guelph Join Date: Nov 2003 Ride: 91 VW GTI Fav Mod: Azenis RT615's Class: Street	^^ but you said Toyota has nothing to gain from GM, but it clearly did/does if they shared the Matrix/Vibe platform with Pontiac. ------------------ Roses are #FF0000 Violets are #0000FF All my base are belong to you.

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