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New gasoline rules take effect
Total volume over year must contain 5 per cent ethanol
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i think this is more to satisfy the people complaining than to actually impact emissions or make our fossil fuel supply last longer. running an engine on alcohol takes twice as much fuel as running an engine on gasoline so in theory you'll be getting very slightly less km per tank. and most of the good gas stations already have ethanol in their gas anyway whether they tell you or not. look at sonoco's ultra 94 for example, i think it says "up to 10% ethanol" right on the pump.
if they want to get serious about this they would phase out gasoline engines by 2020 and only be using biodiesel as fuel since its 100% organic and the diesel engines we have now can run perfectly fine off of it. my two pennies. ------------------ Brendan: Bunch of 240s Some Opels And a Honda |
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the production of corn-based ethanol consumes more energy than the fuel gives back.
So without subsidizing this process (guess who pays for that) there would be no ethanol. Growing corn is also dependent on cheap oil inputs for planting, harvesting and fertelizing - ask the farmers to use what they grow to fuel their tractors and they'll tell you where to go, but they'll gladly take the governments money for the corn. And when I fill up at GTO or Sunoco, the fuel economy drop is noticable (about 8-10%) so I quit doing so. Saving 1c per litre is just not worth it if the car burns 1litre more / 100k. ------------------ Gettin' fat - only exercise now is shifting gears ![]() |
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In its purest form, ethanol has approx. 25% less energy than gasoline, resulting in a fuel economy drop of 15-25% depending on the engine it is burned in. Aside from the energy content, the biggest difficulty with ethanol fuel is its higher octane rating. A higher octane rating allows for better ignition at high compression, in a full throttle situation for example. Engines that do not run at high compression ratios do not benefit from higher octane ratings and will generally run poorer regardless of the fuel type used (There are exceptions).
Chemically, vegetable oil has less energy than diesel fuel; this is noted by a lower cetane value. Consequently, engines running on the plant-produced fuel get approximately 10% poorer fuel economy than their fossil fuel counterparts. Change in the engine’s power production can also fluctuate by up to 10% due to the lower energy content. Regardless of source, vegetable oil/biodiesel is highly viscous. Unlike diesel made from petroleum, this reduces the fuel injector’s ability to atomize the incoming fuel. Less atomization can cause lubrication and deposition problems and ignition can be a problem too. In our Canadian climate (usually...) cold weather starting or operation could be a serious problem as the fuel begins to congeal below 50 degrees. Pros and cons for each as far as usage is concerned, but each have similar source problems. If they cannot be produced by sustainable means, they offer little social benefit aside from minor pollution reduction (not always so for biodiesel). If we can afford to supplement gasoline or diesel with more "natural" products in a sustainable fashion, then I encourage policy change. Just for fun... to give you an idea of how much we would have to devote to a wheat-based ethanol crop for the Canadian market (my numbers are now a year and a half old): -For Canada, there is an exceptional amount of unused wheat available for export. Each year approximately 17 000 000 tonnes of wheat produce could be diverted for ethanol production -Current Canadian technology is capable of producing 370 liters of ethanol per tonne of wheat, translating to a potential 6 290 000 000 liters of ethanol per year -The most recent statistics indicate that Canadian gasoline consumption would require almost 6 times that amount of fuel. ------------------ I'm the least you could do |
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When did you get so smart?? lol someone's been doing there homework!------------------ Trev 2002 Cavalier - Dead June 22, 2007 RIP 2003 Honda Civic SiG daily driver Once you go BLACK you never go back!!
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So is this Gasoline going to offer more performance ??
Are we potentially going to see higher octane numbers at the pump, like in Europe?? ------------------ Nick | 2001 Golf 1.8T | www.mygolfiv.com | www.hpaddicts.com | Need Cheap Hosting ?? www.WEJhosting.com $50/Year |
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most of that info is totaly different then the info we got at work. our info says its gonna be 10% mixed with all regular fuels at every gas station.
ethonal is better for the enviroment but it gives you shittier gas milege poorer performance. so difference in octane at all. for some cars this is gonna cause problems it all depends on how your car is mapped out and anything from the 80s or older will have the most problems. check with your mechanic before you fill up with this new blend. theres no notice to when each gas station is gonna be changing to this. all i know is our tanks are gonna have to be near empty and that the stations pumps will be shut down for around 10 hours as they add new filters and change the computers. but you gotta love how something this big and they dont realy give anyone notice of this change untill the day it starts to take effect. sites that may help you that have all the info. fuels05.ca vehiclefuels.gc.ca ene.gov.on.ca/envision/ethanal chad |
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I have to run my car on 94 and the only stations that generally offer 94 are GTO or Sunoco. I get terrible gas mileage. This could be due to lots of things but I'm sure the Ethanol content doesnt help.
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WTH happened to Shell 93 Octane?? ie the VPower BS Ferrari fuel?
All of the sations had it before in the GTA area, now its only 91....Sunoco has 94.....but I want variety ![]() 91 not an option (unless its an emeyrgancy) |
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