the letter looks (and reads) great, nice job

I know iw as just bustin ya balls! LOL

Your letter was fantastic with a very suttle attack. Very well wrote. However there is one thing that I have been holding back on saying, now may be the right time. You already probably think I am a bitch so here it is.

The police read these forums. There are 3 members in this club that tell of their street racing defeats on another site. (yes, I know you have to be registered to access, easy enough for them too.) Unfortunately this alone will take away all your credibility. I street race also. Many of the members have listed what is illegal on their cars for all to read. There are pictures and plates to match up who's who. Your events are well known, times and places. With all the police bashing (justified) going on don't be surprised if they start making appearances in the area just to be assholes and prove to you all that they will do what they want.

I am sorry to say, but any progress that could have been made by Footose's excellent letter, may in the long wrong be all for not. Some people were a lot a bit percipitous. Someone even posted what was illegal on our car, now we also have to be aware. I hope you are able to make progess with this, muscle cars could be their next target.

That's why I applaude the cops on getting the unsafe vehicles off the road. Just don't harrass the rest of us that are safe and don't street race. I have a job to do and so do they...we all have to support ourselves...it's just that at the end of the day, I can sleep at night, some cops that our out there, I don't know how they sleep at night because they definitely aren't "Protecting and Serving".

Send that letter to the papers and the cops man. Thats deffinitly a good job. I just wrote a letter to the regional police myself. Not as good as thta but I think it will get the message accross.


Chris

Cobra2003: You make some valid points in your last post but here are a few things you are not aware off.

When you registered to this message board, did you take the time to read the user agreement??
I didn't think so.
There are sections in there that protect what you say on here. If someone says you have an illegal exhaust on your car, it does not mean that a cop that reads this board can stop you and ticket you because they read on this board your car has an illegal exahust.
This same thing applies to ppl who post about street racing. Can you prove that their stories are true?? Maybe they are just writing for fun?? Where you there to see them race??
So if you can't prove it then how would a cop do it.

Lastly i don't really care what you read on other message board just like cops don't care what racing happens in Japan, a bunch of our members post on GTASTREETRACING for entrataiment purposes, does that make them street racers?? Does that mean VM allowes street racing??

You have a login on here now, can you see a Street Racing forum???
If so, show me it please??

You are write about police bashing, but if that is how memebrs feel they should have a place to express their feelings.

Also i have so many lists of IP's here and i have yet to see any from police related site, so if you think a cop just read all the pages of this thread, think again. They have more important things to do like eating dounats at timmies and handing out illegal exhaust tickets.

Good letter!
My only beef:

Teenagers cannot afford to own a vehicle let alone modify one, especially with today?s increasing insurance rates.

I'm not sure you meant what it seems like you meant there. I'm 17 and have my own car, and I know there are several other teens on this board who do too.

Originally Posted by footose

i was gonna put "racist" but i donno another "nice" word fo r racist

segregationist -> According to a online Thesaurus.

Originally Posted by vwguy

Cobra2003: You make some valid points in your last post but here are a few things you are not aware off.

When you registered to this message board, did you take the time to read the user agreement??
I didn't think so.
There are sections in there that protect what you say on here. If someone says you have an illegal exhaust on your car, it does not mean that a cop that reads this board can stop you and ticket you because they read on this board your car has an illegal exahust.
This same thing applies to ppl who post about street racing. Can you prove that their stories are true?? Maybe they are just writing for fun?? Where you there to see them race??
So if you can't prove it then how would a cop do it.

Lastly i don't really care what you read on other message board just like cops don't care what racing happens in Japan, a bunch of our members post on GTASTREETRACING for entrataiment purposes, does that make them street racers?? Does that mean VM allowes street racing??

You have a login on here now, can you see a Street Racing forum???
If so, show me it please??

You are write about police bashing, but if that is how memebrs feel they should have a place to express their feelings.

Also i have so many lists of IP's here and i have yet to see any from police related site, so if you think a cop just read all the pages of this thread, think again. They have more important things to do like eating dounats at timmies and handing out illegal exhaust tickets.

Good morning Nick,
It looks to be a beautiful day today! Read your post, thought I'd clarify myself and my statements.

Yes I did read the 'user agreement.' Spending over 5 years studying law in university it becomes a habit to read 'the fine print.' And yes, I am also aware that what you say hear is protected. It falls under the Ontario Privacy Act.

Now whether what people say on this site or the other mentioned sites is true or not, it still goes against one's credibility. Either these people are lying, or they are performing illegal street races or have illegal mods done to their car. That is not what is being claimed in your letters to the police. No, the police can't use this information to pull you over, they are already sanctioned to pull you over with this 'blitz' for no reason. Some people have just given the police an extra reason to keep an eye out for their car. Don't fool yourself into thinking they don't have time to read these pages. They have set aside a lot of time for their 'blitz' program. The police in this region are determined to minimize street racing. You must also remember, you also directed the police to this site. ( For good reasons.)

I am not against anybody on this forum, I just wanted to point out some things that I noticed as well as to the fact that police read these forums. My brother-in-law is a police officer, and he told me so. ( You are right though, they don't sit in front of computers at the station and do this.) He warned us awhile ago to be careful about what we say about our car, and it wouldn't be wise to post a pic of it. I do wish all of you the best in fighting the stereotyping that you have now been forced to face.

Ok i sent the letter this mornign in the following from:

To whom it may concern.

Vital Motion is a vehicle enthusiast group based in the Waterloo region. Our members span across Kitchener, Waterloo, Cambridge, Guelph, Brantford and several other small cities within the area.

Our club has recently become aware of the “blitz” that the Waterloo Regional Police is organizing every Friday night regarding modified cars in the region. We feel that the Highway Traffic Act is too vague on topics regarding modified vehicles. We would appreciate any clarification that you could give us on aftermarket exhaust, lowering, air intakes, tinted windows, forced induction, nitrous oxide and other such items that are considered “modifications”.

The members of Vital Motion have taken actions to ensure that their vehicles meet the requirements specified by the department of motor vehicles, insurance companies and other such regulatory mandates. The club does not allow its members to conduct any kind of racing on the streets and we regularly organize Track Days to keep racing where is supposed to be done. We are also organizing a charity car wash called “Tuners Against Street Racers”, (visit http://carwash.vitalmotion.net for more information) in memory of the young kids that were recently killed in our region due to street racing related incidents.

With the increasing amount of young deaths this year, we understand that the police force must take initiative to curb the amount of high speed fatalities. Unfortunately, the majority of these deaths were young teenagers between the ages of 17 and 19, involved with family sedans, mini vans or other non-modified vehicles. These teenagers could not afford to own a vehicle let alone modify one, especially with today’s increasing insurance rates.

Vital Motion does not condone any type of conduct that may be considered illegal, which includes street racing. So essentially, Vital Motion is on the same side as the law in terms of eliminating street racing and any illegal activity on the roads. However, we ask for your cooperation in doing this as we can only do so much. Targeting modified vehicles is a stereotype, and border line predigest. If you were to stereotype a person because of their ethnicity or clothes and “threaten” them by giving out tickets for something they have not done, you would be called a segregationist.

Pulling over random cars and handing out tickets at your leisure will probably increase your revenue for the month of June during your upcoming blitz. However, we implore you to follow your “mission statement” on http://www.wrps.on.ca/ regarding traffic road and safety.

“To improve visibility in the community, through community volunteer efforts, interaction with community stakeholders and strategic thinking to raise community awareness and road safety.”

Instead of handing out tickets on Friday nights, we ask that you could provide some sort of information sessions that could educate people on what is legal and what is not legal in regards to modifications of their vehicles.

According to your website, last year there were 20 fatal accidents in all waterloo region in 2003, yet there were 880 drivers tested for DUI. How many fatal accidents were caused by a street race compare to a DUI Driver. How many street races that involved fatalities were in a car with modifications? These are statistics that you neglect to tell the public or media.

Instead of increasing your revenue this Friday, why don’t you setup a ride program outside of some local bars, such as Revolution or Philthy McNasty’s so that you can save someone’s life.

We believe a program such as P.A.C.E.R. would be much more effective then the program you have initiated now, but again we understand that P.A.C.E.R. cannot generate any revenue for you, just save peoples lives. We have already contacted personal from P.A.C.E.R. asking them to come to this region several times, without any response.

On behalf of the Vital Motion community and its 300+ members, I want to thank you for taking the time to read this letter and providing us with a quick response.

Sincerely

Vital Motion Community
http://www.vitalmotion.net

I sent it to:
Waterloo Region:
jane.kissner@wrps.on.ca
bryan.larkin@wrps.on.ca
olaf.heinzel@wrps.on.ca
traffic@wrps.on.ca

And fileld out this form on OPP website:
http://www.gov.on.ca/opp/welcome/english/writeus.htm

Now i'm editing it a bit to send it to the local newspapers.

Originally Posted by vwguy

Also i have so many lists of IP's here and i have yet to see any from police related site,

Have you ever seen any IP addresses that don't resolve? Guess whats probably in there.

Originally Posted by Cobra2003

I street race also.

Good for you thanks for coming out. Realize this forum is public and anyone who is on the internet can read this. You may have also posted a pic in the Members pictures forum thus making it even easier to make yourself a target. (and making me less of a target)

Just to add one more comment in reference to the police.

My friend is a member of a f-body forum, and he only recently discovered that one of their members is a police officer. Identity through the internet is easy to conceal. You can say you are anything you want. Nobody in this other group had any idea this person was a cop until they said so.

(we have never posted a pic of our car)

Originally Posted by Cobra2003

Just to add one more comment in reference to the police.

My friend is a member of a f-body forum, and he only recently discovered that one of their members is a police officer. Identity through the internet is easy to conceal. You can say you are anything you want. Nobody in this other group had any idea this person was a cop until they said so.

(we have never posted a pic of our car)

did you know im superman also known as clark kent

Originally Posted by gunline

did you know im superman also known as clark kent

Can you leap tall buildings too?

Originally Posted by Cobra2003

(we have never posted a pic of our car)

Well they're up on the site. (from new member thread)

Originally Posted by Cobra2003

If you would like to see some pics of our ride, check out some of the pictures from the last photo day on Sunday. We noticed it in a few.

I hope I'm not quoting too much, but its just making a point be very careful what you say. The rules have been set out to keep everyone safe and make it so that our meets and events do not become a heatscore.

Our car is barely visible in some of the pictures from a day out with some other members. There is no individual picture of it, only in group shots where you can see parts of it. Like I said, WE never posted any pics of our car.

To add, I do not feel like having a flame war with anyone here. I was offering information that I thought people might be interested in knowing. Please just accept it for the 'constructive criticism' that it is.

Originally Posted by Cobra2003

Our car is barely visible in some of the pictures from a day out with some other members. There is no individual picture of it, only in group shots where you can see parts of it. Like I said, WE never posted any pics of our car.

To add, I do not feel like having a flame war with anyone here. I was offering information that I thought people might be interested in knowing. Please just accept it for the 'constructive criticism' that it is.

Good I looked in there too and its not really recognizable so that it may be picked on, your safe for now.

BTW if you know my views I'm very anti street racing. My club has kicked out a few paid members for posting about street racing in our forums. If we hear of anyone getting caught for street racing they are gone etc. I have a friend who totalled his car racing and lost his license, its not a good move play safe on the roads plus if you go to the track you get to know your time and all the good old stats and you legitimately know who won when it is a close race.

We don't entirely believe in street racing either. But we'd by lying if we said we never did. Doing it when there are no cars around, against someone 'older' who has years of driving experience, letting off as soon as someone pulls, that's what we are guilty of. When I was young I went to the track and raced every weekend. My daddy had a done up 68 Camaro SS. Unfortunately now that I've got two children, my time is limited. They are far more important than going to the track. And for the record, we don't race or barely even go above the speed limit with them in the car for those of you wondering.

Originally Posted by Cobra2003

We don't entirely believe in street racing either. But we'd by lying if we said we never did. Doing it when there are no cars around, against someone 'older' who has years of driving experience, letting off as soon as someone pulls, that's what we are guilty of. When I was young I went to the track and raced every weekend. My daddy had a done up 68 Camaro SS. Unfortunately now that I've got two children, my time is limited. They are far more important than going to the track. And for the record, we don't race or barely even go above the speed limit with them in the car for those of you wondering.

ahhh I see the good old 'Test and Tune' just seeing what the car can do when you're essentially by yourself how fast can I bring her up to the speed limit etc. At least you're not flying around at 120 in a 50 zone or something retarded... it all depends on what you think street racing is in this case I suppose what someone may think of testing the car others may see as a race etc.
Glad to hear about the safe driving with kids when I see people driving retarded with a baby in the car it frustrates me... You have your priorities straight