Ok, this is opinion time!!!! I was just wondering what the people at VM think about Police Pursuits. I figured I'ld ask a bunch of car enthusiasts how they feel, versuses a bunch of parents driving (and I use that term loosely) there family minivans while concentrating on everything but driving.

So, in this growing age of liablity and excuses, I ask for your opinion about Police Pusuits? What do you, the public, feel is acceptable or if you feel they are acceptable at all?
When do you think police should pursue and up to what point? What is an acceptable risk?

Your thoughts please....

I have absoultly no problem with the police pursuits under most circumstances. In my opinion whether or not the police are chasing someone, if they are stupid enough to run, they're a risk on the roads anyways, are most likely already speeding away from something, and are bound to hit something anyways. People don't get chased for no reason. I think that punishments should be stronger when caught also. As for what is acceptable and what isn't... Once the chase is underway, there are few reasons that I would stop it if it were up to me. Once the police ends the pursuit, it's normally because of imminent danger to the public, but the person being chased isn't going to stop immediatly also and I feel this is quite often overlooked. The only areas that I feel would be an unnaceptable risk would be things such as school zones, or in areas where there are a large number of people. Once already in these areas though, there would be no reason to stop the chase, the damage is already going to be done. You need to think ahead, see where you're headed, and stop it early if you're going to.

On top of all of this though, I think that the reason for the chase plays a big part. If someone stole my Jeep from my parking lot, I would be PISSED but I wouldn't want them to be hurt in the chase (we will save that for when they get caught later on) and I wouldn't want to hear about it getting wrapped around a tree. On the other hand though, if someone held a gun to my girlfriend's head and told her to get out of the jeep, I would love to see him rolling off a cliff inside the jeep and wouldn't mind if he wrapped both himself and the jeep around a tree!

But the person that stole it should be fully responsible for my increase in insurance and my deductible

Chase them until you cant chase them anymore. Thats pretty much it. They are running for a reason and that reason usually is a bad one and they are willing to make it possibly worse by running. Police should be able to use all that they have to get the person trying to avoid the law. Im talking spike strips on bikes and everything.

Ive heard so many stories about people on bikes and in fast cars that when they see the cops behind them they just punch it becuase the cops will back off easily. That type of driving endangers me and the people that I care about and thats not cool.

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I think it might be fun to try one some time, but I would need a better car.

Originally Posted by fixitmattman

I think it might be fun to try one some time, but I would need a better car.

Lol, I've thought that too.

SPOC sounds like a cop

Originally Posted by NikiterZts

SPOC sounds like a cop

SPOC = COPS

We all know he is a cop or atleast knows a hell of a lot about policing.

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IMHO the main danger is far too often now the emergency services aren't using their lights and sirens like they should. Accidents get caused by the people charged with protecting the public because they fail to follow the rules set out for them. Get close enough to get a plate, if it's a stolen car back off and send some cruisers to hide out by brantford. Whether it's a fast car/bike doesn't matter, it's all the mentality of the idiot behind the wheel. Use the radio and set up road blocks where you think they are going to go, if they aren't caught oh well try again at another time. minimize the risk to everyone from the criminal, police and public

SPOC is a cop... hence the

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He's been very open about it! He's not trying to hide it!

Originally Posted by NikiterZts

SPOC sounds like a cop

You're a quick one! A little slow, but dont let anyone tell you that you aren't just as special as the other kids.

Back on topic.... My beef is with the civil lawyers who make gads of money from BS lawsuits defending these criminals, behind the closed doors of the court room where the public cant see the kind of irresponsiblity the lawyers and courts are encouraging.
Then the outcome of the cases get pumped up by the media and plastered all over the front page of the news in hopes to sell a few more papers. All the while just encouraging the idiot who caused the pursuit and resulting damage to take absolutely ZERO responsiblity for his/her actions. This results in more and more constrictive new rules being added to police pursuit policies and procedures.
I largely hear from the otherside of the fence and rarely hear what the public want or expect of the police when it comes to pursueing and catching these criminals who choose to flee.
I dont want to see someone's kids get mowed down by some crack-head fleeing from police in a stolen piece of shit minivan barely worth $1000. However, each situation is unique and has its own mitigating factors to consider. There are numerous factors and safe gaurds in place governing police pursuits (none of which I can divulge).
I just feel the public is being short changed by these criminals. The public are the ones who suffer in the end and are the ultimate victim. Its a complete lose / lose some more situation for the public with the way things are at present: Owner of stolen vehicle = private citizen. Victim of damage or loss as a result of fleeing criminal = private citizen. Increased insurance payments = private citizen. Party most likely to be another victim of same wreckless criminal = private citizen.
The criminal gets away or a slap on the wrist if caught. The lawyers make their millions and return to there mini-fortresses in their private security patrolled gated communities. The police get chastised for doing the job the public expects, and have more rules placed on them. And the politicians play the 'safer roads for a safer ontario' card, suckering in a few more ignorant voters.
Its interesting to hear from people that can drive or have an interest in driving, as to what they beleive the inherent risks are and what is acceptable. Keep them comming.

Cops should be equipped with 2 guns. One they shoot whenever they want and one where they have to file a report why they shot the gun.

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Originally Posted by SPOC

You're a quick one! A little slow, but dont let anyone tell you that you aren't just as special as the other kids.

wow....hhmmm ok......

must be a "smart" cop you are


just never saw your posts before thats all

Originally Posted by SPOC

Back on topic.... My beef is with the civil lawyers who make gads of money from BS lawsuits defending these criminals, behind the closed doors of the court room where the public cant see the kind of irresponsiblity the lawyers and courts are encouraging.
Then the outcome of the cases get pumped up by the media and plastered all over the front page of the news in hopes to sell a few more papers. All the while just encouraging the idiot who caused the pursuit and resulting damage to take absolutely ZERO responsiblity for his/her actions. This results in more and more constrictive new rules being added to police pursuit policies and procedures.
I largely hear from the otherside of the fence and rarely hear what the public want or expect of the police when it comes to pursueing and catching these criminals who choose to flee.
I dont want to see someone's kids get mowed down by some crack-head fleeing from police in a stolen piece of shit minivan barely worth $1000. However, each situation is unique and has its own mitigating factors to consider. There are numerous factors and safe gaurds in place governing police pursuits (none of which I can divulge).
I just feel the public is being short changed by these criminals. The public are the ones who suffer in the end and are the ultimate victim. Its a complete lose / lose some more situation for the public with the way things are at present: Owner of stolen vehicle = private citizen. Victim of damage or loss as a result of fleeing criminal = private citizen. Increased insurance payments = private citizen. Party most likely to be another victim of same wreckless criminal = private citizen.
The criminal gets away or a slap on the wrist if caught. The lawyers make their millions and return to there mini-fortresses in their private security patrolled gated communities. The police get chastised for doing the job the public expects, and have more rules placed on them. And the politicians play the 'safer roads for a safer ontario' card, suckering in a few more ignorant voters.
Its interesting to hear from people that can drive or have an interest in driving, as to what they beleive the inherent risks are and what is acceptable. Keep them comming.

You've got quite the chip on your shoulder. Out of all your ranting (excellent spelling and grammar, btw) I'm having a hard time determining your position. I guess I must be special, too.

IMO, the current standards for police chases are acceptable and far better than those in many US states.

IMO;

they should not publish (in the record) that they, terminate pursuits, because that justs lets every shit rat know, if they drive fast enough and dangerous enough, the cops will let them go.

in the past 2 months, the record has published at least 6 pursuits WRPS has broken off.

Sure break of pursuit when necessary, just don't tell the whole tri city area.

a co-worker has a police scanner, he was telling me about a chase where the officer refused to follow directions from the higher ups to call it off, the officer had to be threatened with desk duty before he stopped it

IMO, I feel the authorities should have every legal and other tools available to aprehend any suspect fleeing from police. Whether it be an off duty cop, one working currently or any other citizen, the person fleeing could be someone who is really bad. The police stopping a chase should only be done in extreme situations....heavy traffic, loss of human life vs benefits of aprehending. Judgement of the officers in pursuit should be the only ones able to decide wether to stop or to continue. That being said, we should have more cameras mounted on our police vehicles to properly review situations like this if they arent already equiped to do so.

The second topic someone touched, I do realize if a police is making and emergency manouver its usualy for a reason, however, if you dont let the public drivers know this, it causes reactions and sometimes lead to accidents. Driving down university "where there are no street lights" a cop was approaching at a high rate of speed unable to handle the corner swirving in to our lane (no light, sirens notifying of his speed/approach). We almost swirved off the road but luckily there are paved shoulders and wide lanes....

I say do whatever it takes to get the job done to protect and serve the majority SAFELY. Obviously no one in these persuits (on the police side) want to act dangerously so as long as they are making conscious decisions about the safety of the masses then do whatever you feel necessary. IMO you guys (police officiers, male/female) are in the positions you are becuase you have a pretty good sense of where to draw the line.
be smart and use the resources you have to get the job done, whether that be Mr Motorolla or Mr Ford that's your call

they have helicopters for a reason , just follow the car until he runs out of gas , less risk of public injury and to the stupid cops . The only reason they're running is because your chasing them.

modify the police cars to be faster then any car that would run. Who's gonna run when theres a 600 HP cruiser on them...

Originally Posted by 240drifter

they have helicopters for a reason , just follow the car until he runs out of gas , less risk of public injury and to the stupid cops . The only reason they're running is because your chasing them.

Ya, ok, because every municipality has enough money to purchase a helicopter and a spaceship while your at it. Your taxes dont stretch as far as your imagination.