Mosport May 6, 2007. There are currently 17 spots available.

Full - thread closed.

I'm in... where are you located ? How can I get my deposit to you ?

EDIT - I just checked the thread, ill be sending paypal when I get home tonight.

Wow... I don't think I'm ready for that track in terms of me as a driver, but I will come watch for sure, if that's allowed.

Looks like a really good track and I'm interested to see some of the Nissans showing up.

I didn't see it in the linked post, is this a FULL day or 1/2 day or x to x hour?

Thanks
-Steve

It's a full day at the DDT at Mosport. Driver's meeting at 8:30 a.m. through the day.

8 - 8:30 am arrive
8:30 am Drivers meeting. Mandatory - if you miss this you sit out until the organizers can go over the day with you.

9:00 am Run Group I Acquaintance Laps (advanced)
9:15 am Run Group II Acquaintance Laps (experienced)
9:30 am Run Group III Acquaintance Laps (new, following an organizer’s car)
9:45 am Drivers meeting

10:00 am Run Group I Picking up the pace (advanced)
10:20 am Run Group II Picking up the pace (experienced – no passing)
10:40 am Run Group III Picking up the pace (new, following and only passing the organizer's car for practice)

11:00 am -5:00 pm
Twelve 30 minute sessions, After lunch (or when you've had three sessions on the track ) passing will be allowed in the designated zones. This schedule allows one hour breaks for lunch/working on car/discussing line/admiring other cars.

Ya I just found that. It sounds like fun, but my concern is the distribution of track time.

Basically whatever group a person belongs to, they will have a 30min window to run the track, then be down for an hour waiting for their next session.

I can't seem to find out what the distance is of DDT, so I can't say for sure, but at Dunnville (2.2km) I'd run 8-12 laps and want a breather of 20-30 minutes, then jump back on. Or run 4 laps, and get off to check something out, get back on. It just seems like the time is very constrained with your schedule, and a majority of people will be sitting around instead of driving their cars.

Also, I won't say 'wasted' but you have 2 hours in the morning scheduled for learning the track. It really shouldn't be a problem to pick up the track design within 4 laps, can this part of your schedule be compressed?

Are you open to different scheduling ideas?

-Steve

Originally Posted by steved_97ILS

Ya I just found that. It sounds like fun, but my concern is the distribution of track time. Basically whatever group a person belongs to, they will have a 30min window to run the track, then be down for an hour waiting for their next session.

I can't seem to find out what the distance is of DDT, so I can't say for sure, but at Dunnville (2.2km) I'd run 8-12 laps and want a breather of 20-30 minutes, then jump back on. Or run 4 laps, and get off to check something out, get back on. It just seems like the time is very constrained with your schedule, and a majority of people will be sitting around instead of driving their cars.

Also, I won't say 'wasted' but you have 2 hours in the morning scheduled for learning the track. It really shouldn't be a problem to pick up the track design within 4 laps, can this part of your schedule be compressed?

Are you open to different scheduling ideas?

-Steve

Mosports DDT is a 1.5 mile track. There are many ways to plan out a lapping day, and this is the schedule Jeff and I have chosen. Not ideal for everyone, but very similar to many other events, and we hope that it works out well. We cannot switch to an open event with cars jumping on and off whenever they want, a) insurance won't allow more than 10 cars on track at a time and b) very hard to know if everyone is getting a fair time distribution. As the day progresses, I'm not going to say that the schedule won't change, but at this time this is the format. It's as fair as we can make it to have 30 cars on.

In the morning the advanced and experienced groups will be out on the track first thing - ownership is on them and they'll be out learning the track and lapping. For newbies who've never lapped before, they're going to go slow and easy. We don't want someone getting over their head before they've even started. This is valuable time.

We've tried to post as much info as we can, Steve, so that the lapper can decide if this is a suitable event. Thanks for the questions.

Originally Posted by Lude Awakening

I'm in... where are you located ? How can I get my deposit to you ?

EDIT - I just checked the thread, ill be sending paypal when I get home tonight.

Hey Scotty, thanks for the link. Looks like I may be in for this also.

There's a slight chance that I'll have some designated track wheels and tires come this spring.

Looks like they'll be using the same setup we had back in September. I loved "The Swoop" as I could enter it at a high rpm and exit it with a lot of speed down the hill.

Where was it exactly where u went off at???

^^ smartass I knew you were gonna say that.. im looking at R compound tires for the track.. ill let you know if i find anything

In the mean time get those cute race shoes broken in

anyone else from VM coming ? Mike ( Kace ) and I will be there

I really do applaud you for going to the trouble of organizing this lapping event of yours. I think its great.

BUT

You're schedule gives any one person 2 hours and 35 minutes of track time, and yet takes up 8.5 hours of a day. Plus anyone who isn't a resident of bowmanville IE: those people in Kitchener will be driving 2 hours there and 2 hours back.

So 2.6 hours of track time in a 12.5 hour day.

Let me address your concerns with an 'open track'

a) insurance won't allow more than 10 cars on track at a time

A control man stands at the pit-on and controls how many cars are on the track at any one time.

b) very hard to know if everyone is getting a fair time distribution

Fair is a very subjective term.

Take a guy like Kace above, he owns an S2000, a production car for the track (hoping he has a roll bar for this event as per track rules). He'll be able to safely stay out there for quite a while. He'll need few runs with lots of laps.

Take me, I drive an Integra, its not a production track inspired car. I've done its suspension, its fun to drive, but I'd want to keep it out of the upper revs for long durations.

Take your average non-experienced driver, with his civic slammed on skunk2's with oem shocks. He might THINK he can stay out forever, but his lack of experience, and his first time adrenaline rush will take a toll on him. He won't be out as long. He'll need lots of runs with few laps

I think if you're capable of planning this out the way you have so far, you're capable of going the extra distance. If you've got 3 groups of drivers, and 8 hours of track time, you can break it down into three time periods of 2 hours 40 minutes, have your 10 cars on/off as they'd like, and keep the long hours of doing nothing at a minimum.

Its your track day, you can do what you want of course.

But when people can run 4 hours of dunnville for $65, and get it done in 4 hours...

Scott's paid and signed up.
Thanks!

Much agreed. I've been out to Dunville twice with the SON group, and that's how it's run. And honestly, with 10 cars on the track at a time, it's not difficult to keep track of who's been on for a while.

So yeah, keep a guy at the entrance from the pit, to regulate traffic on the track. If a lineup builds at the entrance, there would be 2 options:

1)You know if you've been on for a while, and can see that people are waiting...so you get off for a while ( unless you're an asshole )

2) with 10 people on, an observer can see who's been on for a while, and flag them to pull off on their next lap.

It's not hard. It only takes one guy to keep it flowing!

Originally Posted by steved_97ILS

I really do applaud you for going to the trouble of organizing this lapping event of yours. I think its great.
...
But when people can run 4 hours of dunnville for $65, and get it done in 4 hours...

You mention some great points and I appreciate the feedback, but the day will be running as it stands. PM has been sent too.

Originally Posted by nissannx

You mention some great points and I appreciate the feedback, but the day will be running as it stands. PM has been sent too.

That's unfortunate. I would have loved to spend some time at Mosport this coming season, but it's not worth the $$ for the time I would have on the track (not to mention just sitting around all the time).

I guess I'll keep looking for other clubs that are setting up events...

Originally Posted by steved_97ILS

You're schedule gives any one person 2 hours and 35 minutes of track time, and yet takes up 8.5 hours of a day. Plus anyone who isn't a resident of bowmanville IE: those people in Kitchener will be driving 2 hours there and 2 hours back.

FYI, I've done the drive in less then an hour and a half and that's doing no more then 120 km/h on the 401. But I know that's beside the fact.

I'll have to take a look at the brain bucket as well as free $$$ situation. I would love to come out and give it a try (complete noob to lapping days).

I read over the website and everything is how I expected, but it says spare brake pads recommended. Do you really eat through a set of pads in a lapping session or are they just in case you're on the green side and brake too hard and late and set them on fire.

Originally Posted by fixitmattman

I'll have to take a look at the brain bucket as well as free $$$ situation. I would love to come out and give it a try (complete noob to lapping days).

I read over the website and everything is how I expected, but it says spare brake pads recommended. Do you really eat through a set of pads in a lapping session or are they just in case you're on the green side and brake too hard and late and set them on fire.

Hey Matt,

It depends on your car and your brakes.

I still have my stock brakes and they were fine on the DDT track last time. However, it may be possible that Honda put decent quality brakes on my car.

Although, for other types of cars, the OEM brakes may not be of higher quality, therefore, u may wish to change them after u get home from the track.

I know my stock brakes sucked bad for any sort of performance oriented driving. Wouldn't dare think of lapping for any considerable time with them. I've currently got a very meaty set of Hawk HPS pads so I'd imagine they'd be fine, but it doesn't hurt to ask when it comes to brakes given how important they are. Just need to stock up on brake fluid.

Thanks Mike

Originally Posted by CD7H22

I guess I'll keep looking for other clubs that are setting up events...

I can guarantee the Toronto Prelude Club will be running at least one if not two track sessions this year.

As far as Vitalmotion, Im hoping to work with Jim ( moderator ) and work out a ILR track school at the DDT mosport for us, stay tuned for more details.

^^ patientally waiting for that one!!